![]() I think mine is better, but I do not think it is the only possible one. You wouldn't, for example, argue that PAM removes hunter's mark's extra d6 of damage, would you? No, of course not the spell is applied after PAM sets the weapon damage die, not before.īut! I do see where you're coming from I just am not convinced that your ruling is better RAW interpretation than mine. I find shillelagh to be both more specific and to happen as a later order of operations. It's essentially saying "I don't care what the weapon damage die for this weapon normally is, use a d4 for this attack instead." It doesn't matter what order you apply things, PAM doesn't care what the weapon's damage die is.Īnswer me this: if a spell "super glaive" came out that said "for 1 minute, a glaive you wield has it's damage die changed to a d12." What would be the damage die and damage type of the PAM attack?Similarly, shillalagh says, "For the duration.the weapon's damage die becomes a d8." It is essentially saying, "I don't care what the damage die for the weapon normally would be for the duration, use d8 for any attacks with it, instead." PAM says "The weapon’s damage die for this attack is a d4, and it deals bludgeoning damage." So if you want to go against RAI and buff a feat that doesn't need buffed, go for it. PAM doesn't care what's in the weapon table.Įven if you still refuse to believe that this is how it works RAW, it is RAI per JC. Shillelagh is essentially changing the entry in the PHB weapon table temporarily. Wotc comes out with a new spell that changes glaives to d12 damage die temporarily? PAM with it still does d4 bludgeoning. Houserule spears to do d10 damage? PAM with it still does d4 bludgeoning. Those two arguments are not even close to the same. It doesn't matter what the weapon's damage die is and how it became what it is. But the PAM attack is a specific type of attack with a specific damage die (separate from the weapon's). Full stop.Īs for the weapon table somehow overriding the shillelagh damage, that doesn't happen because the spell is more specific than the general weapon damage. So changing the weapon's damage die has no impact on PAM. But it says that "the weapon's damage die becomes a d8." There's a subtle but important difference. If Shillelagh said "melee attacks with the weapon use a d8 for weapon damage," you would have an argument. However, I, personally, find the second argument much weaker, because you could make the argument that the weapon table changes the die type from ( shillelagh's) d8 to whatever is in the weapon table just as easily as you can make the argument that PAM changes the die type from ( shillelagh's) d8 to (PAM's) d4.I disagree that RAW permits both interpretations. The RAW absolutely permit both a reading where the spell changes the damage die from d4 to d8, and a reading where the damage die for the butt-end attack is always a d4. ![]()
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